Проблема с ATI Driver 9.6 в OpenSuse 11.1 (Устанавливал драйвер в один клик...)

[40000]

Подскажите что делать. Устанавливал драйвер от сюда(из репозитория) после установки чёрный экран, подскажите что делать???

[lulu]

драйвер fglrx?модуль ядра ставили?

[40000]

драйвер fglrx?модуль ядра ставили?

Перед устаеновкой я ничего не ставил, в процессе насколько я знаю он загружал какие-то пакетики

[lulu]

зайдите в консоль Ctrl+Alt+F1
с рута cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf
смотрите
Section "Device"
Driver что прописано?

[40000]

зайдите в консоль Ctrl+Alt+F1
с рута cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf
смотрите
Section "Device"
Driver что прописано?

Написано "fglrx"

[freemaster]

удали установленный драйвер, качай с amd.com ставь командой "sh name.run" и проблем никогда не будет!

[40000]

удали установленный драйвер, качай с amd.com ставь командой "sh name.run" и проблем никогда не будет!

И перегонять в rpm-пакеты не надо?А можно немного по точнее,буду вам очень благодарен.
И заодно подскажите, как правильно удалить драйвер.

[jura12]

етот секс бесконечен. поищите. везде одно и тоже. в результате я воспользовался помощью магазина и купил nvidia.

[40000]

етот секс бесконечен. поищите. везде одно и тоже. в результате я воспользовался помощью магазина и купил nvidia.

В ноуте видюху мне не поменять!
P.S. На убунте у меня дрова работали кстати и без особого секса.

[40000]

Установил дрова 9.6 через "sh name.run" после установки сделал следующее:

Код: Выделить всё

# ldconfig
# aticonfig --initial --input=/etc/X11/xorg.conf

И затем следующее:

Код: Выделить всё

# sax2 -r -m 0=fglrx

После всего этого он мне выдал предупреждение и сослал вот сюда:

Код: Выделить всё

/var/log/SaX.log

Я прикладываю свой log народ подскажите что надо поправить.

Код: Выделить всё

/************
SaX2 log     : SaX2 version 8.1 - SVN Release: 1.49 2003/03/17
**************
SVN RELEASE  : 1870
             :
DESCRIPTION  : X11 configuration log file to collect information
             : about detection, startup and configuration.
             : There are three parts of logging:
             : ---
             : 1) INIT     ( detection, 3D )
             : 2) STARTUP  ( xorg.conf, X11 log, glxinfo )
             : 3) CONFIG   ( config actions )
             : ---
             :
VERSION      : SaX2 compiled for: [OTHER]
PARAMETER    : -r -m 0=fglrx
             :
LOG DATE     : Thu Jul 16 12:11:21 MSD 2009
*************/
============================
Framebuffer Info:
----------------------------
Framebuffer is active

16-Jul 12:11:22 <I> Initializing...
16-Jul 12:11:23 <I> [ Sysp: Mouse detection data
    Mouse0    =>  Protocol   : explorerps/2
    Mouse0    =>  Device     : /dev/input/mice
    Mouse0    =>  Buttons    : 14
    Mouse0    =>  Wheel      : 3
    Mouse0    =>  Emulate    : 0
    Mouse0    =>  Name       : A4 Tech PS/2+USB Mouse
    Mouse0    =>  VendorID   : 0x09da
    Mouse0    =>  DeviceID   : 0x000a
    Mouse0    =>  Profile    : <undefined>
    Mouse0    =>  RealDevice : /dev/input/by-path/pci-0000:00:1d.1-usb-0:2:1.0-event-mouse
    Mouse0    =>  NutShell   : 0

    Mouse1    =>  Protocol   : explorerps/2
    Mouse1    =>  Device     : /dev/input/mice
    Mouse1    =>  Buttons    : 5
    Mouse1    =>  Wheel      : 1
    Mouse1    =>  Emulate    : 0
    Mouse1    =>  Name       : SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad
    Mouse1    =>  VendorID   : 0x0002
    Mouse1    =>  DeviceID   : 0x0007
    Mouse1    =>  Profile    : synaptics
    Mouse1    =>  RealDevice : /dev/input/by-path/platform-i8042-serio-1-event-mouse
    Mouse1    =>  NutShell   : 0
]
16-Jul 12:11:23 <I> [ Sysp: Keyboard detection data
    Keyboard0 =>  XkbModel   : microsoftpro
    Keyboard0 =>  XkbLayout  : us
    Keyboard0 =>  Name       : AT Translated Set 2 keyboard
    Keyboard0 =>  VendorID   : 0x0001
    Keyboard0 =>  DeviceID   : 0x0001
    Keyboard0 =>  Profile    : <undefined>
    Keyboard0 =>  RealDevice : /dev/input/event0
]
16-Jul 12:11:23 <I> [ Sysp: Server detection data
    Card0     =>  DomainId   : 0x0
    Card0     =>  BusId      : 0x1
    Card0     =>  SlotId     : 0x00
    Card0     =>  FuncId     : 0x0
    Card0     =>  Vendor     : ATI
    Card0     =>  Device     : Mobility Radeon HD 3650
    Card0     =>  VID        : 0x1002
    Card0     =>  DID        : 0x9591
    Card0     =>  Module     : fglrx
    Card0     =>  BusType    : AGP
    Card0     =>  Detected   : 1
    Card0     =>  Flag       : DEFAULT
    Card0     =>  SUB-VID    : 0x1179
    Card0     =>  SUB-DID    : 0xff1c
    Card0     =>  DrvProfile : FireGL,AIGLX,Composite
]
16-Jul 12:11:28 <I> [ Sysp: XStuff detection data
    Card0     =>  DDC        : SEC3741
    Card0     =>  DDC[2]     : SEC3741
    Card0     =>  Name       : SAMSUNG LCD Monitor
    Card0     =>  Vendor     : SEC
    Card0     =>  Name[2]    : SAMSUNG LCD Monitor
    Card0     =>  Vendor[2]  : SEC
    Card0     =>  Primary    : 01-00-0
    Card0     =>  Chipset    : <undefined>
    Card0     =>  Vsync      : 60
    Card0     =>  Hsync      : 62
    Card0     =>  Vsync[2]   : 60
    Card0     =>  Hsync[2]   : 62
    Card0     =>  Vesa       : 1280 800 62 60
    Card0     =>  Vesa[2]    : 1280 800 62 60
    Card0     =>  Dacspeed   : 220
    Card0     =>  Dacspeed[2]: 220
    Card0     =>  Modeline   : <undefined>
    Card0     =>  Modeline[2]: <undefined>
    Card0     =>  Memory     : 262144
    Card0     =>  RandR      : <undefined>
    Card0     =>  Current    : 01-00-0
    Card0     =>  RawDef     : None
    Card0     =>  Option     : None
    Card0     =>  Extension  : None
    Card0     =>  Module     : fglrx
    Card0     =>  Display    : LCD/TFT
    Card0     =>  Display[2] : LCD/TFT
    Card0     =>  Size       : 331x207
    Card0     =>  Size[2]    : 331x207
    Card0     =>  VesaBios   : 3.0
    Card0     =>  FBBoot     : 800 600 8 771
    Card0     =>  FBBoot     : 800 600 16 788
    Card0     =>  FBBoot     : 800 600 24 802
    Card0     =>  FBBoot     : 1024 768 16 791
    Card0     =>  FBBoot     : 1024 768 8 773
    Card0     =>  FBBoot     : 1024 768 24 803
]
16-Jul 12:11:29 <I> [ Sysp: 3D detection data
    Card3D0   =>  Install    : <none>
    Card3D0   =>  Remove     : <none>
    Card3D0   =>  Packages   : <none>
    Card3D0   =>  Active     : 0
    Card3D0   =>  Answer     : no
    Card3D0   =>  ScriptReal : <none>
    Card3D0   =>  ScriptSoft : <none>
    Card3D0   =>  Flag       : <none>
]
16-Jul 12:11:31 <X> Startup...
16-Jul 12:11:31 <X> [ Startup on already running Server:
    :0.0 -> grant
]
16-Jul 12:11:31 <I> Checksum of installed configuration is invalid !
16-Jul 12:11:32 <I> Imported: Card
16-Jul 12:11:32 <I> Imported: Desktop
16-Jul 12:11:32 <I> Imported: Pointers
16-Jul 12:11:32 <I> Imported: Keyboard
16-Jul 12:11:32 <I> Imported: Layout
16-Jul 12:11:33 <I> Imported: Path
16-Jul 12:11:33 <I> Imported: Extensions
QPainter::begin: Widget painting can only begin as a result of a paintEvent
QPainter::begin: Widget painting can only begin as a result of a paintEvent
16-Jul 12:11:36 <W> SCCKeyboardOptions::Warning: unknown XKB key: CapsLock uses internal capitalization. Shift "pauses" CapsLock.
16-Jul 12:11:36 <W> SCCKeyboardOptions::Warning: unknown XKB key: CapsLock acts as Shift with locking. Shift "pauses" CapsLock.
16-Jul 12:11:36 <I> *** not yet handled: Pad Properties on display 0
16-Jul 12:11:49 <T> Configuration: [FIRST SETUP]... [
    # /.../
    # SaX generated X11 config file
    # Created on: 2009-07-16T12:11:48+0400.
    #
    # Version: 8.1
    # Contact: Marcus Schaefer <sax@suse.de>, 2005
    # Contact: SaX-User list <https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/sax-users>
    #
    # Automatically generated by [ISaX] (8.1)
    # PLEASE DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE!
    #

    Section "Files"
      FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/misc:unscaled"
      FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/local"
      FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/75dpi:unscaled"
      FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/100dpi:unscaled"
      FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/Type1"
      FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/URW"
      FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/Speedo"
      FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/PEX"
      FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/cyrillic"
      FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/latin2/misc:unscaled"
      FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/latin2/75dpi:unscaled"
      FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/latin2/100dpi:unscaled"
      FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/latin2/Type1"
      FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/latin7/75dpi:unscaled"
      FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/baekmuk:unscaled"
      FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/japanese:unscaled"
      FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/kwintv"
      FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/truetype"
      FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/uni:unscaled"
      FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/CID"
      FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/ucs/misc:unscaled"
      FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/ucs/75dpi:unscaled"
      FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/ucs/100dpi:unscaled"
      FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/hellas/misc:unscaled"
      FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/hellas/75dpi:unscaled"
      FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/hellas/100dpi:unscaled"
      FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/hellas/Type1"
      FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/misc/sgi:unscaled"
      FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/xtest"
      FontPath     "/opt/kde3/share/fonts"
      InputDevices "/dev/gpmdata"
      InputDevices "/dev/input/mice"
    EndSection

    Section "ServerFlags"
      Option       "AIGLX" "on"
      Option       "AllowMouseOpenFail" "on"
      Option       "IgnoreABI" "on"
      Option       "ZapWarning" "on"
    EndSection

    Section "Module"
      Load         "dbe"
      Load         "freetype"
      Load         "extmod"
      Load         "glx"
      Load         "dri"
    EndSection

    Section "InputDevice"
      Driver       "kbd"
      Identifier   "Keyboard[0]"
      Option       "Protocol" "Standard"
      Option       "XkbLayout" "us"
      Option       "XkbModel" "microsoftpro"
      Option       "XkbRules" "xfree86"
    EndSection


    Section "InputDevice"
      Driver       "mouse"
      Identifier   "Mouse[1]"
      Option       "Buttons" "14"
      Option       "Device" "/dev/input/mice"
      Option       "Name" "A4 Tech PS/2+USB Mouse"
      Option       "Protocol" "explorerps/2"
      Option       "Vendor" "Sysp"
      Option       "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
    EndSection

    Section "InputDevice"
      Driver       "synaptics"
      Identifier   "Mouse[3]"
      Option       "Buttons" "5"
      Option       "Device" "/dev/input/mice"
      Option       "Emulate3Buttons" "on"
      Option       "HorizScrollDelta" "0"
      Option       "InputFashion" "Mouse"
      Option       "Name" "Synaptics;Touchpad"
      Option       "Protocol" "explorerps/2"
      Option       "SHMConfig" "on"
      Option       "Vendor" "Sysp"
      Option       "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
    EndSection


    Section "Monitor"
      Option       "CalcAlgorithm" "XServerPool"
      DisplaySize  331 207
      HorizSync    30-62
      Identifier   "Monitor[0]"
      ModelName    "SAMSUNG LCD MONITOR"
      Option       "DPMS"
      Option       "PreferredMode" "1366x768"
      VendorName   "SEC"
      VertRefresh  43-60
      UseModes     "Modes[0]"
    EndSection


    Section "Modes"
      Identifier   "Modes[0]"
    EndSection


    Section "Screen"
      DefaultDepth 24
      SubSection "Display"
        Depth      15
        Modes      "1366x768" "1360x768" "1280x768" "1280x720" "1024x768" "1280x600" "1024x600" "800x600" "768x576" "640x480"
      EndSubSection
      SubSection "Display"
        Depth      16
        Modes      "1366x768" "1360x768" "1280x768" "1280x720" "1024x768" "1280x600" "1024x600" "800x600" "768x576" "640x480"
      EndSubSection
      SubSection "Display"
        Depth      24
        Modes      "1366x768" "1360x768" "1280x768" "1280x720" "1024x768" "1280x600" "1024x600" "800x600" "768x576" "640x480"
      EndSubSection
      SubSection "Display"
        Depth      8
        Modes      "1366x768" "1360x768" "1280x768" "1280x720" "1024x768" "1280x600" "1024x600" "800x600" "768x576" "640x480"
      EndSubSection
      Device       "Device[0]"
      Identifier   "Screen[0]"
      Monitor      "Monitor[0]"
    EndSection


    Section "Device"
      BoardName    "Mobility Radeon HD 3650"
      Driver       "fglrx"
      Identifier   "Device[0]"
      Option       "XAANoOffscreenPixmaps" "true"
      Option       "Capabilities" "0x00000000"
      Option       "OpenGLOverlay" "off"
      Option       "FSAAScale" "0"
      Option       "FSAAEnable" "off"
      Option       "VideoOverlay" "on"
      VendorName   "ATI"
    EndSection



    Section "ServerLayout"
      Identifier   "Layout[all]"
      InputDevice  "Keyboard[0]" "CoreKeyboard"
      InputDevice  "Mouse[1]" "CorePointer"
      InputDevice  "Mouse[3]" "SendCoreEvents"
      Option       "Clone" "off"
      Option       "Xinerama" "off"
      Screen       "Screen[0]"
    EndSection


    Section "DRI"
        Group      "video"
        Mode       0660
    EndSection

    Section "Extensions"
      Option       "Composite" "on"
    EndSection

]
16-Jul 12:11:49 <T> Configuration: [LOG]... [
    X.Org X Server 1.5.2
    Release Date: 10 October 2008
    X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0
    Build Operating System: openSUSE SUSE LINUX
    Current Operating System: Linux linux-rhzd 2.6.27.23-0.1-pae #1 SMP 2009-05-26 17:02:05 -0400 i686
    Build Date: 02 July 2009  08:02:13AM

        Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org
        to make sure that you have the latest version.
    Module Loader present
    Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting,
        (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational,
        (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
    (==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.99.log", Time: Thu Jul 16 12:11:48 2009
    (++) Using config file: "/var/lib/sax/xorg.conf"
    (==) ServerLayout "Layout[all]"
    (**) |-->Screen "Screen[0]" (0)
    (**) |   |-->Monitor "Monitor[0]"
    (**) |   |-->Device "Device[0]"
    (**) |-->Input Device "Keyboard[0]"
    (**) |-->Input Device "Mouse[1]"
    (**) |-->Input Device "Mouse[3]"
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    (**) Option "AllowMouseOpenFail" "on"
    (**) Option "Xinerama" "off"
    (**) Option "AIGLX" "on"
    (**) Option "IgnoreABI" "on"
    (**) Ignoring ABI Version
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    (WW) The directory "/usr/share/fonts/latin2/misc" does not exist.
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    (WW) The directory "/usr/share/fonts/latin2/75dpi" does not exist.
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    (WW) The directory "/usr/share/fonts/latin2/100dpi" does not exist.
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    (WW) The directory "/usr/share/fonts/latin2/Type1" does not exist.
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    (WW) The directory "/usr/share/fonts/latin7/75dpi" does not exist.
        Entry deleted from font path.
    (WW) The directory "/usr/share/fonts/baekmuk" does not exist.
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    (WW) The directory "/usr/share/fonts/japanese" does not exist.
        Entry deleted from font path.
    (WW) The directory "/usr/share/fonts/kwintv" does not exist.
        Entry deleted from font path.
    (WW) The directory "/usr/share/fonts/uni" does not exist.
        Entry deleted from font path.
    (WW) The directory "/usr/share/fonts/CID" does not exist.
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    (WW) The directory "/usr/share/fonts/ucs/misc" does not exist.
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    (WW) The directory "/usr/share/fonts/ucs/75dpi" does not exist.
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    (WW) The directory "/usr/share/fonts/ucs/100dpi" does not exist.
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    (WW) The directory "/usr/share/fonts/hellas/misc" does not exist.
        Entry deleted from font path.
    (WW) The directory "/usr/share/fonts/hellas/75dpi" does not exist.
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    (WW) The directory "/usr/share/fonts/hellas/100dpi" does not exist.
        Entry deleted from font path.
    (WW) The directory "/usr/share/fonts/hellas/Type1" does not exist.
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    (WW) The directory "/usr/share/fonts/misc/sgi" does not exist.
        Entry deleted from font path.
    (WW) The directory "/usr/share/fonts/xtest" does not exist.
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    (II) "record" will be loaded by default.
    (II) "dri" will be loaded. This was enabled by default and also specified in the config file.
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        ABI class: X.Org XInput driver, version 2.1
    (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules//input/synaptics_drv.so
    (II) Module synaptics: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
        compiled for 1.5.2, module version = 0.15.2
        Module class: X.Org XInput Driver
        ABI class: X.Org XInput driver, version 2.1
    (II) Primary Device is: PCI 01@00:00:0
    (WW) Falling back to old probe method for fglrx
    (II) ATI Proprietary Linux Driver Version Identifier:8.62.4
    (II) ATI Proprietary Linux Driver Release Identifier: 8.62
    (II) ATI Proprietary Linux Driver Build Date: May 20 2009 16:45:27
    (II) Loading PCS database from /etc/ati/amdpcsdb
    (WW) This ATI Proprietary Linux Driver does not guarantee support of video driver ABI higher than 2.0
    (WW) Video driver ABI version of the X server is 4.1
    (--) Assigning device section with no busID to primary device
    (--) Chipset Supported AMD Graphics Processor (0x9591) found
    (II) AMD Video driver is running on a device belonging to a group targeted for this release
    (II) AMD Video driver is signed
    (II) fglrx(0): pEnt->device->identifier=0x82283f8
    (II) fglrx(0): === [atiddxPreInit] === begin
    (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules//libvgahw.so
    (II) Module vgahw: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
        compiled for 1.5.2, module version = 0.1.0
        ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 4.1
    (II) fglrx(0): PCI bus 1 card 0 func 0
    (**) fglrx(0): Depth 24, (--) framebuffer bpp 32
    (II) fglrx(0): Pixel depth = 24 bits stored in 4 bytes (32 bpp pixmaps)
    (==) fglrx(0): Default visual is TrueColor
    (**) fglrx(0): Option "Capabilities" "0x00000000"
    (**) fglrx(0): Option "OpenGLOverlay" "off"
    (**) fglrx(0): Option "VideoOverlay" "on"
    (**) fglrx(0): Option "DPMS"
    (II) fglrx(0): 10BitPixelFormat disabled by default
    (==) fglrx(0): RGB weight 888
    (II) fglrx(0): Using 8 bits per RGB (8 bit DAC)
    (==) fglrx(0): Gamma Correction for I is 0x06419064
    (==) fglrx(0): Gamma Correction for II is 0x06419064
    (==) fglrx(0): Buffer Tiling is ON
    (II) Reloading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/linux//libfglrxdrm.so
    (--) fglrx(0): Chipset: "ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3650" (Chipset = 0x9591)
    (--) fglrx(0): (PciSubVendor = 0x1179, PciSubDevice = 0xff1c)
    (--) fglrx(0): board vendor info: third party graphics adapter - NOT original ATI
    (--) fglrx(0): Linear framebuffer (phys) at 0xc0000000
    (--) fglrx(0): MMIO registers at 0xd6300000
    (--) fglrx(0): I/O port at 0x00006000
    (==) fglrx(0): ROM-BIOS at 0x000c0000
    (II) fglrx(0): AC Adapter is used
    (II) fglrx(0): Primary V_BIOS segment is: 0xc000
    (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules//libvbe.so
    (II) Module vbe: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
        compiled for 1.5.2, module version = 1.1.0
        ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 4.1
    (II) fglrx(0): VESA BIOS detected
    (II) fglrx(0): ATI Video BIOS revision 9 or later detected
    (--) fglrx(0): Video RAM: 524288 kByte, Type: DDR2
    (II) fglrx(0): PCIE card detected
    (--) fglrx(0): Using per-process page tables (PPPT) as GART.
    (WW) fglrx(0): board is an unknown third party board, chipset is supported
    (II) fglrx(0): RandR 1.2 support is enabled!
    (II) fglrx(0): RandR 1.2 rotation support is enabled!
    (==) fglrx(0): Center Mode is disabled *
]

И вот этот log.(var/log/Xorg99.log)

Код: Выделить всё

X.Org X Server 1.5.2
Release Date: 10 October 2008
X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0
Build Operating System: openSUSE SUSE LINUX
Current Operating System: Linux linux-rhzd 2.6.27.23-0.1-pae #1 SMP 2009-05-26 17:02:05 -0400 i686
Build Date: 02 July 2009  08:02:13AM

    Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org
    to make sure that you have the latest version.
Module Loader present
Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting,
    (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational,
    (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
(==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.99.log", Time: Thu Jul 16 12:23:24 2009
(++) Using config file: "/var/lib/sax/xorg.conf"
(==) ServerLayout "Layout[all]"
(**) |-->Screen "Screen[0]" (0)
(**) |   |-->Monitor "Monitor[0]"
(**) |   |-->Device "Device[0]"
(**) |-->Input Device "Keyboard[0]"
(**) |-->Input Device "Mouse[1]"
(**) |-->Input Device "Mouse[3]"
(**) Option "ZapWarning" "on"
(**) Option "AllowMouseOpenFail" "on"
(**) Option "Xinerama" "off"
(**) Option "AIGLX" "on"
(**) Option "IgnoreABI" "on"
(**) Ignoring ABI Version
(==) Automatically adding devices
(==) Automatically enabling devices
(WW) The directory "/usr/share/fonts/local" does not exist.
    Entry deleted from font path.
(WW) The directory "/usr/share/fonts/PEX" does not exist.
    Entry deleted from font path.
(WW) The directory "/usr/share/fonts/latin2/misc" does not exist.
    Entry deleted from font path.
(WW) The directory "/usr/share/fonts/latin2/75dpi" does not exist.
    Entry deleted from font path.
(WW) The directory "/usr/share/fonts/latin2/100dpi" does not exist.
    Entry deleted from font path.
(WW) The directory "/usr/share/fonts/latin2/Type1" does not exist.
    Entry deleted from font path.
(WW) The directory "/usr/share/fonts/latin7/75dpi" does not exist.
    Entry deleted from font path.
(WW) The directory "/usr/share/fonts/baekmuk" does not exist.
    Entry deleted from font path.
(WW) The directory "/usr/share/fonts/japanese" does not exist.
    Entry deleted from font path.
(WW) The directory "/usr/share/fonts/kwintv" does not exist.
    Entry deleted from font path.
(WW) The directory "/usr/share/fonts/uni" does not exist.
    Entry deleted from font path.
(WW) The directory "/usr/share/fonts/CID" does not exist.
    Entry deleted from font path.
(WW) The directory "/usr/share/fonts/ucs/misc" does not exist.
    Entry deleted from font path.
(WW) The directory "/usr/share/fonts/ucs/75dpi" does not exist.
    Entry deleted from font path.
(WW) The directory "/usr/share/fonts/ucs/100dpi" does not exist.
    Entry deleted from font path.
(WW) The directory "/usr/share/fonts/hellas/misc" does not exist.
    Entry deleted from font path.
(WW) The directory "/usr/share/fonts/hellas/75dpi" does not exist.
    Entry deleted from font path.
(WW) The directory "/usr/share/fonts/hellas/100dpi" does not exist.
    Entry deleted from font path.
(WW) The directory "/usr/share/fonts/hellas/Type1" does not exist.
    Entry deleted from font path.
(WW) The directory "/usr/share/fonts/misc/sgi" does not exist.
    Entry deleted from font path.
(WW) The directory "/usr/share/fonts/xtest" does not exist.
    Entry deleted from font path.
(==) Including the default font path /usr/share/fonts/misc:unscaled,/usr/share/fonts/TTF/,/usr/share/fonts/OTF,/usr/share/fonts/Type1/,/usr/share/fonts/100dpi:unscaled,/usr/share/fonts/75dpi:unscaled.
(**) FontPath set to:
    /usr/share/fonts/misc:unscaled,
    /usr/share/fonts/75dpi:unscaled,
    /usr/share/fonts/100dpi:unscaled,
    /usr/share/fonts/Type1,
    /usr/share/fonts/URW,
    /usr/share/fonts/Speedo,
    /usr/share/fonts/cyrillic,
    /usr/share/fonts/truetype,
    /opt/kde3/share/fonts,
    /usr/share/fonts/misc:unscaled,
    /usr/share/fonts/TTF/,
    /usr/share/fonts/OTF,
    /usr/share/fonts/Type1/,
    /usr/share/fonts/100dpi:unscaled,
    /usr/share/fonts/75dpi:unscaled
(**) Input device list set to "/dev/gpmdata,/dev/input/mice"
(==) ModulePath set to "/usr/lib/xorg/modules/updates,/usr/lib/xorg/modules"
(**) Extension "Composite" is enabled
(II) Open ACPI successful (/var/run/acpid.socket)
(II) Loader magic: 0x81f95c0
(II) Module ABI versions:
    X.Org ANSI C Emulation: 0.4
    X.Org Video Driver: 4.1
    X.Org XInput driver : 2.1
    X.Org Server Extension : 1.1
    X.Org Font Renderer : 0.6
(II) Loader running on linux
(++) using VT number 8

(--) PCI:*(0@1:0:0) unknown vendor (0x1002) unknown chipset (0x9591) rev 0, Mem @ 0xc0000000/0, 0xd6300000/0, I/O @ 0x00006000/0, BIOS @ 0x????????/131072
(II) System resource ranges:
    [0] -1    0    0xffffffff - 0xffffffff (0x1) MX[B]
    [1] -1    0    0x000f0000 - 0x000fffff (0x10000) MX[B]
    [2] -1    0    0x000c0000 - 0x000effff (0x30000) MX[B]
    [3] -1    0    0x00000000 - 0x0009ffff (0xa0000) MX[B]
    [4] -1    0    0x0000ffff - 0x0000ffff (0x1) IX[B]
    [5] -1    0    0x00000000 - 0x00000000 (0x1) IX[B]
(II) "extmod" will be loaded. This was enabled by default and also specified in the config file.
(II) "dbe" will be loaded. This was enabled by default and also specified in the config file.
(II) "glx" will be loaded. This was enabled by default and also specified in the config file.
(II) "freetype" will be loaded. This was enabled by default and also specified in the config file.
(II) "record" will be loaded by default.
(II) "dri" will be loaded. This was enabled by default and also specified in the config file.
(II) LoadModule: "dri"

(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules//extensions/libdri.so
(II) Module dri: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
    compiled for 7.4.0, module version = 1.0.0
(II) Loading extension XFree86-DRI
(II) Loading sub module "fglrxdrm"
(II) LoadModule: "fglrxdrm"

(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/linux//libfglrxdrm.so
(II) Module fglrxdrm: vendor="FireGL - ATI Technologies Inc."
    compiled for 1.4.99.906, module version = 8.62.4
(II) LoadModule: "freetype"

(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules//fonts/libfreetype.so
(II) Module freetype: vendor="X.Org Foundation & the After X-TT Project"
    compiled for 1.5.2, module version = 2.1.0
    Module class: X.Org Font Renderer
    ABI class: X.Org Font Renderer, version 0.6
(II) Loading font FreeType
(II) LoadModule: "glx"

(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules//extensions/libglx.so
(II) Module glx: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
    compiled for 7.4.0, module version = 1.0.0
(II) Loading extension GLX
(II) LoadModule: "dbe"

(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules//extensions/libdbe.so
(II) Module dbe: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
    compiled for 1.5.2, module version = 1.0.0
    Module class: X.Org Server Extension
    ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 1.1
(II) Loading extension DOUBLE-BUFFER
(II) LoadModule: "extmod"

(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules//extensions/libextmod.so
(II) Module extmod: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
    compiled for 1.5.2, module version = 1.0.0
    Module class: X.Org Server Extension
    ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 1.1
(II) Loading extension SHAPE
(II) Loading extension MIT-SUNDRY-NONSTANDARD
(II) Loading extension BIG-REQUESTS
(II) Loading extension SYNC
(II) Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER
(II) Loading extension XC-MISC
(II) Loading extension XFree86-VidModeExtension
(II) Loading extension XFree86-Misc
(II) Loading extension XFree86-DGA
(II) Loading extension DPMS
(II) Loading extension TOG-CUP
(II) Loading extension Extended-Visual-Information
(II) Loading extension XVideo
(II) Loading extension XVideo-MotionCompensation
(II) Loading extension X-Resource
(II) LoadModule: "record"

(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules//extensions/librecord.so
(II) Module record: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
    compiled for 1.5.2, module version = 1.13.0
    Module class: X.Org Server Extension
    ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 1.1
(II) Loading extension RECORD
(II) LoadModule: "fglrx"

(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules//drivers/fglrx_drv.so
(II) Module fglrx: vendor="FireGL - ATI Technologies Inc."
    compiled for 1.4.99.906, module version = 8.62.4
    Module class: X.Org Video Driver
(II) LoadModule: "kbd"

(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules//input/kbd_drv.so
(II) Module kbd: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
    compiled for 1.5.2, module version = 1.3.1
    Module class: X.Org XInput Driver
    ABI class: X.Org XInput driver, version 2.1
(II) LoadModule: "mouse"

(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules//input/mouse_drv.so
(II) Module mouse: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
    compiled for 1.5.2, module version = 1.3.0
    Module class: X.Org XInput Driver
    ABI class: X.Org XInput driver, version 2.1
(II) LoadModule: "synaptics"

(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules//input/synaptics_drv.so
(II) Module synaptics: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
    compiled for 1.5.2, module version = 0.15.2
    Module class: X.Org XInput Driver
    ABI class: X.Org XInput driver, version 2.1
(II) Primary Device is: PCI 01@00:00:0
(WW) Falling back to old probe method for fglrx
(II) ATI Proprietary Linux Driver Version Identifier:8.62.4
(II) ATI Proprietary Linux Driver Release Identifier: 8.62
(II) ATI Proprietary Linux Driver Build Date: May 20 2009 16:45:27
(II) Loading PCS database from /etc/ati/amdpcsdb
(WW) This ATI Proprietary Linux Driver does not guarantee support of video driver ABI higher than 2.0
(WW) Video driver ABI version of the X server is 4.1
(--) Assigning device section with no busID to primary device
(--) Chipset Supported AMD Graphics Processor (0x9591) found
(II) AMD Video driver is running on a device belonging to a group targeted for this release
(II) AMD Video driver is signed
(II) resource ranges after xf86ClaimFixedResources() call:
    [0] -1    0    0xffffffff - 0xffffffff (0x1) MX[B]
    [1] -1    0    0x000f0000 - 0x000fffff (0x10000) MX[B]
    [2] -1    0    0x000c0000 - 0x000effff (0x30000) MX[B]
    [3] -1    0    0x00000000 - 0x0009ffff (0xa0000) MX[B]
    [4] -1    0    0x0000ffff - 0x0000ffff (0x1) IX[B]
    [5] -1    0    0x00000000 - 0x00000000 (0x1) IX[B]
(II) fglrx(0): pEnt->device->identifier=0x82283f8
(II) resource ranges after probing:
    [0] -1    0    0xffffffff - 0xffffffff (0x1) MX[B]
    [1] -1    0    0x000f0000 - 0x000fffff (0x10000) MX[B]
    [2] -1    0    0x000c0000 - 0x000effff (0x30000) MX[B]
    [3] -1    0    0x00000000 - 0x0009ffff (0xa0000) MX[B]
    [4] 0    0    0x000a0000 - 0x000affff (0x10000) MS[B]
    [5] 0    0    0x000b0000 - 0x000b7fff (0x8000) MS[B]
    [6] 0    0    0x000b8000 - 0x000bffff (0x8000) MS[B]
    [7] -1    0    0x0000ffff - 0x0000ffff (0x1) IX[B]
    [8] -1    0    0x00000000 - 0x00000000 (0x1) IX[B]
    [9] 0    0    0x000003b0 - 0x000003bb (0xc) IS[B]
    [10] 0    0    0x000003c0 - 0x000003df (0x20) IS[B]
(II) Setting vga for screen 0.
(II) fglrx(0): === [atiddxPreInit] === begin
(II) Loading sub module "vgahw"
(II) LoadModule: "vgahw"

(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules//libvgahw.so
(II) Module vgahw: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
    compiled for 1.5.2, module version = 0.1.0
    ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 4.1
(II) fglrx(0): PCI bus 1 card 0 func 0
(**) fglrx(0): Depth 24, (--) framebuffer bpp 32
(II) fglrx(0): Pixel depth = 24 bits stored in 4 bytes (32 bpp pixmaps)
(==) fglrx(0): Default visual is TrueColor
(**) fglrx(0): Option "Capabilities" "0x87c7ee0"
(WW) fglrx(0): Option "OpenGLOverlay" requires a boolean value
(WW) fglrx(0): Option "VideoOverlay" requires a boolean value
(**) fglrx(0): Option "DPMS"
(II) fglrx(0): 10BitPixelFormat disabled by default
(==) fglrx(0): RGB weight 888
(II) fglrx(0): Using 8 bits per RGB (8 bit DAC)
(==) fglrx(0): Gamma Correction for I is 0x06419064
(==) fglrx(0): Gamma Correction for II is 0x06419064
(==) fglrx(0): Buffer Tiling is ON
(II) Loading sub module "fglrxdrm"
(II) LoadModule: "fglrxdrm"

(II) Reloading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/linux//libfglrxdrm.so
drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0
drmOpenDevice: open result is 13, (OK)
drmOpenByBusid: Searching for BusID PCI:1:0:0
drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0
drmOpenDevice: open result is 13, (OK)
drmOpenByBusid: drmOpenMinor returns 13
drmOpenByBusid: drmGetBusid reports PCI:1:0:0
(--) fglrx(0): Chipset: "ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3650" (Chipset = 0x9591)
(--) fglrx(0): (PciSubVendor = 0x1179, PciSubDevice = 0xff1c)
(--) fglrx(0): board vendor info: third party graphics adapter - NOT original ATI
(--) fglrx(0): Linear framebuffer (phys) at 0xc0000000
(--) fglrx(0): MMIO registers at 0xd6300000
(--) fglrx(0): I/O port at 0x00006000
(==) fglrx(0): ROM-BIOS at 0x000c0000
(II) fglrx(0): AC Adapter is used
(II) fglrx(0): Primary V_BIOS segment is: 0xc000
(II) Loading sub module "vbe"
(II) LoadModule: "vbe"

(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules//libvbe.so
(II) Module vbe: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
    compiled for 1.5.2, module version = 1.1.0
    ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 4.1
(II) fglrx(0): VESA BIOS detected
(II) fglrx(0): VESA VBE Version 3.0
(II) fglrx(0): VESA VBE Total Mem: 16384 kB
(II) fglrx(0): VESA VBE OEM: ATI ATOMBIOS
(II) fglrx(0): VESA VBE OEM Software Rev: 10.84
(II) fglrx(0): VESA VBE OEM Vendor: (C) 1988-2005, ATI Technologies Inc.
(II) fglrx(0): VESA VBE OEM Product: M86
(II) fglrx(0): VESA VBE OEM Product Rev: 01.00
(II) fglrx(0): ATI Video BIOS revision 9 or later detected
(--) fglrx(0): Video RAM: 524288 kByte, Type: DDR2
(II) fglrx(0): PCIE card detected
(--) fglrx(0): Using per-process page tables (PPPT) as GART.
(WW) fglrx(0): board is an unknown third party board, chipset is supported
(II) fglrx(0): RandR 1.2 support is enabled!
(II) fglrx(0): RandR 1.2 rotation support is enabled!
(==) fglrx(0): Center Mode is disabled
(II) Loading sub module "ddc"
(II) LoadModule: "ddc"
(II) Module "ddc" already built-in

Выдаёт такое сообщение:

Неудалось проверить конфигурацию
Для дополнительной информации смотрите фаил /var/log/Xorg99.log
Следующий отчёт создан из вызывающего экземпляра
SaX library: Победа
Х configuration: No information

Опа, да ещё и чёрный экран после перезагрузки.

[freemaster]

И перегонять в rpm-пакеты не надо?А можно немного по точнее,буду вам очень благодарен. smile.gif
И заодно подскажите, как правильно удалить драйвер.

то что перегонять не надо это точно, а вот как удалить бинарные не знаю

после установки сделал следующее:

можно вопрос: зачем?

P.S. Не юзал сусю (только хочу попробовать ) может кто-нибудь знает есть ли в ней утилита для восстановления xorg.conf наподобие dexconf в Дебиане?

офтопик небольшой: 40000, посмотрел на вашу подпись и хочу спросить: где вы в наше время достали процессор в 2 МЕГАгерца?

[40000]

P.S. Не юзал сусю (только хочу попробовать smile.gif) может кто-нибудь знает есть ли в ней утилита для восстановления xorg.conf наподобие dexconf в Дебиане?

офтопик небольшой: 40000, посмотрел на вашу подпись и хочу спросить: где вы в наше время достали процессор в 2 МЕГАгерца? smile.gif

На дебиане и убунете, да вообщем во всех операционных система с deb пакетами проблем с атишными дровами практически нет. На счёт утилиты не могу скачать. А на счёт процессора не понял юмора? Что вы хотите этим сказать? Если вас что -то смущает можете глянуть на официальном сайте тошиба.

[freemaster]

На дебиане и убунете, да вообщем во всех операционных система с deb пакетами проблем с атишными дровами практически нет. На счёт утилиты не могу скачать. А на счёт процессора не понял юмора? Что вы хотите этим сказать? Если вас что -то смущает можете глянуть на официальном сайте тошиба.

На сусе поверьте проблем тоже нет. Сам не пробовал но видел и в интернете и в журналах статьи про установку дров в rpm-системах. Все так же просто.
Утилита должна входить в состав системы (это просто консольная команда)
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И все же 2 ГИГАгерца (1 ГГц = 1000 МГц). Компьютер ZX-Spectrum производившийся в 80х годах и то имел процессор с частотой 4 МЕГАгерца

[arkhnchul]

На дебиане и убунете, да вообщем во всех операционных система с deb пакетами проблем с атишными дровами практически нет.

позвольте усомниться...
ЗЫ так не бывает, что с атишными дровами - и нет проблем

[freemaster]

ЗЫ так не бывает, что с атишными дровами - и нет проблем

это некое ответвление от темы. С атишными кривыми дровами проблемы есть всегда, а вот с их установкой - проблем нет.

[arkhnchul]

а вот с их установкой - проблем нет.

по-вашему "нет проблем" означает, что они проставились или что они плюс к этому еще и заработали?)) если второе - осмелюсь опять же не согласиться) Вон, у автора дрова встали - а толку?
стартеру: попробуйте другие (блее ранние) дровишки всобачить.

[freemaster]

по-вашему "нет проблем" означает, что они проставились или что они плюс к этому еще и заработали?)) если второе - осмелюсь опять же не согласиться) Вон, у автора дрова встали - а толку?

Не надо просто связываться с пакетами а ставить сразу run'ники с оф.сайта - и все будет зер гуд!
Завтра принципиально поставлю на ноут сусю а на нее дрова)))))

[arkhnchul]

Не надо просто связываться с пакетами а ставить сразу run'ники с оф.сайта - и все будет зер гуд!

о, наивность молодости)))
бывает проблем столько же, сколько и с пакетами. При наличии выбора - ати в топку. К ноутам это, к сожалению, не относится...

[freemaster]

Поставил сусю. Поставил дрова из run'ника. Встало как будто всегда здесь и было.