KDE-4.2.1 не работает на свежеустановленной системе. (При этом, XFCE работает отлично.)

[maxen]

Суть проблемы в следующем, после загрузки KDE версии 4.2.1 вылетает, или самопроизвольно в течении минуты после загрузки, или же при попытке нажатии кнопки на мышке в любом месте экрана. В XFCE такого нет, и он работает отлично.
Архитектура x86_64
X - установлены x11-base/xorg-server-1.5.3-r5
Драйвера на видео установлены x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-180.37
С помощью гугла и других источников, был вариант удаления из домашней директории .kde и .kde4 , которое ни к чему не привело.
Теперь самое интересное и думаю важное cat .xsession-errors, которое и должно как то направить в нужное русло:

Код: Выделить всё

kdostartupconfig4(13811) main: Running kdostartupconfig.
startkde: Starting up...
kdeinit4: preparing to launch /usr/lib64/kde4/libexec/klauncher
kdeinit4: preparing to launch /usr/bin/kded4
kdeinit4: preparing to launch /usr/bin/kbuildsycoca4
kbuildsycoca4 running...
kdeinit4: preparing to launch /usr/bin/kbuildsycoca4
kbuildsycoca4 running...
kdeinit4: preparing to launch /usr/lib64/kde4/libexec/kconf_update
kded(13839): Communication problem with  "kded" , it probably crashed.
Error message was:  "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply" : " "Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken." "

kdeinit4: preparing to launch /usr/bin/kcminit_startup
kdeinit4: preparing to launch /usr/bin/ksmserver
<unknown program name>(13837)/ KStartupInfo::createNewStartupId: creating:  "maxen;1237379915;411130;13837_TIME0" : "unnamed app"
kded(13840): "Невозможно запустить «kconf_update». "

kded(13840) Solid::Control::ManagerBasePrivate::loadBackend: Backend loaded:  "HAL-Power"
kded(13840) XSyncBasedPoller::XSyncBasedPoller: 3 0
kded(13840) XSyncBasedPoller::XSyncBasedPoller: XSync seems available and ready
kded(13840) XSyncBasedPoller::setUpPoller: XSync Inited
kded(13840) XSyncBasedPoller::setUpPoller: Supported, init completed
kded(13840) PowerDevilDaemon::profileFirstLoad: Profile initialization
X Error: XSyncBadAlarm 129
  Extension:    131 (Uknown extension)
  Minor opcode: 11 (Unknown request)
  Resource id:  0x0
X Error: XSyncBadAlarm 129
  Extension:    131 (Uknown extension)
  Minor opcode: 11 (Unknown request)
  Resource id:  0x0
X Error: XSyncBadAlarm 129
  Extension:    131 (Uknown extension)
  Minor opcode: 11 (Unknown request)
  Resource id:  0x0
kded(13840) KDEDModule::setModuleName: registerObject() successful for  "powerdevil"
kded(13840) KDEDModule::setModuleName: registerObject() successful for  "khotkeys"
X Error: XSyncBadAlarm 129
  Extension:    131 (Uknown extension)
  Minor opcode: 11 (Unknown request)
  Resource id:  0x0
kded(13840) KDEDModule::setModuleName: registerObject() returned false for  "khotkeys"
kded(13840) KDEDModule::setModuleName: registerObject() successful for  "kdedglobalaccel"
kephald starting up
XRANDR error base:  177
RRInput mask is set!!
RandRScreen::loadSettings - adding mode:  356 1280 x 1024
RandRScreen::loadSettings - adding mode:  357 1280 x 1024
RandRScreen::loadSettings - adding mode:  358 1280 x 960
RandRScreen::loadSettings - adding mode:  359 1152 x 864
RandRScreen::loadSettings - adding mode:  360 1024 x 768
RandRScreen::loadSettings - adding mode:  361 1024 x 768
RandRScreen::loadSettings - adding mode:  362 1024 x 768
RandRScreen::loadSettings - adding mode:  363 832 x 624
RandRScreen::loadSettings - adding mode:  364 800 x 600
RandRScreen::loadSettings - adding mode:  365 800 x 600
RandRScreen::loadSettings - adding mode:  366 800 x 600
RandRScreen::loadSettings - adding mode:  367 800 x 600
RandRScreen::loadSettings - adding mode:  368 800 x 600
RandRScreen::loadSettings - adding mode:  369 800 x 600
RandRScreen::loadSettings - adding mode:  370 700 x 525
RandRScreen::loadSettings - adding mode:  371 700 x 525
RandRScreen::loadSettings - adding mode:  372 640 x 512
RandRScreen::loadSettings - adding mode:  373 640 x 512
RandRScreen::loadSettings - adding mode:  374 640 x 480
RandRScreen::loadSettings - adding mode:  375 640 x 480
RandRScreen::loadSettings - adding mode:  376 640 x 480
RandRScreen::loadSettings - adding mode:  377 640 x 480
RandRScreen::loadSettings - adding mode:  378 576 x 432
RandRScreen::loadSettings - adding mode:  379 512 x 384
RandRScreen::loadSettings - adding mode:  380 512 x 384
RandRScreen::loadSettings - adding mode:  381 512 x 384
RandRScreen::loadSettings - adding mode:  382 416 x 312
RandRScreen::loadSettings - adding mode:  383 400 x 300
RandRScreen::loadSettings - adding mode:  384 400 x 300
RandRScreen::loadSettings - adding mode:  385 400 x 300
RandRScreen::loadSettings - adding mode:  386 400 x 300
RandRScreen::loadSettings - adding mode:  387 320 x 240
RandRScreen::loadSettings - adding mode:  388 320 x 240
RandRScreen::loadSettings - adding mode:  389 320 x 240
RandRScreen::loadSettings - adding crtc:  354
RandRScreen::loadSettings - adding output:  355
Setting CRTC 354 on output "default" (previous 0 )
CRTC outputs: (355)
Output name: "default"
Output refresh rate: 50
Output rect: QRect(0,0 1280x1024)
Output rotation: 1
XRandROutputs::init
  added output  355
adding an output 0 with geom:  QRect(0,0 1280x1024)
adding a disconnected output 1
adding a disconnected output 2
adding a disconnected output 3
output: "SCREEN-0" QRect(0,0 1280x1024) 1952543855 true true
output: "SCREEN-1" QRect(0,0 0x0) 389 false false
output: "SCREEN-2" QRect(0,0 0x0) 96 false false
output: "SCREEN-3" QRect(0,0 0x0) 6357024 true false
load xml
connected: 1
looking for current "SCREEN-0"
known "*" has score: 0.125
screen: 0 QRect(0,0 1280x1024)
looking for a matching configuration...
connected: 1
looking for current "SCREEN-0"
known "*" has score: 0.125
found outputs, known: false
activate external configuration!!
registered the service: true
screens registered on the bus: true
outputs registered on the bus: true
configurations registered on the bus: true
kded(13840) KDEDModule::setModuleName: registerObject() successful for  "kded_kephal"
kdeinit4: preparing to launch /usr/bin/nepomukserver
kdeinit4: preparing to launch /usr/bin/plasma
kdeinit4: preparing to launch /usr/bin/knotify4
<unknown program name>(13876)/ checkComposite: Plasma has an argb visual 0x622bf0 27262977
<unknown program name>(13876)/ checkComposite: Plasma is COMPOSITE-less on 0x61c940
NepomukServer(13878) Nepomuk::ServiceManager::Private::startService: Queueing "nepomukontologyloader" due to dependency "nepomukstorage"
NepomukServer(13878) Nepomuk::ServiceManager::Private::startService: Queueing "nepomukmigration1" due to dependency "nepomukstorage"
NepomukServer(13878) Nepomuk::ServiceManager::Private::startService: Queueing "nepomukqueryservice" due to dependency "nepomukstorage"
NepomukServer(13878) Nepomuk::ServiceManager::Private::startService: Queueing "nepomukstrigiservice" due to dependency "nepomukstorage"
NepomukServer(13878) Nepomuk::ServiceManager::Private::startService: Queueing "nepomukfilewatch" due to dependency "nepomukstorage"
(Soprano::PluginManager) loading all plugins
(Soprano::PluginManager) searching plugin file from  "/usr/share/soprano/plugins"
(Soprano::PluginManager) found plugin file "/usr/share/soprano/plugins/nquadparser.desktop"
(Soprano::PluginManager) plugin has proper version.
(Soprano::PluginManager) found parser plugin  "nquadparser"
(Soprano::PluginManager) found plugin file "/usr/share/soprano/plugins/nquadserializer.desktop"
(Soprano::PluginManager) plugin has proper version.
(Soprano::PluginManager) found serializer plugin  "nquadserializer"
(Soprano::PluginManager) found plugin file "/usr/share/soprano/plugins/raptorparser.desktop"
(Soprano::PluginManager) plugin has proper version.
(Soprano::PluginManager) found parser plugin  "raptorparser"
(Soprano::PluginManager) found plugin file "/usr/share/soprano/plugins/raptorserializer.desktop"
(Soprano::PluginManager) plugin has proper version.
(Soprano::PluginManager) found serializer plugin  "raptorserializer"
(Soprano::PluginManager) found plugin file "/usr/share/soprano/plugins/redlandbackend.desktop"
(Soprano::PluginManager) plugin has proper version.
(Soprano::PluginManager) found backend plugin  "redland"
(Soprano::PluginManager) searching plugin file from  "/usr/share/soprano/plugins"
(Soprano::PluginManager) found plugin file "/usr/share/soprano/plugins/nquadparser.desktop"
(Soprano::PluginManager) plugin has proper version.
(Soprano::PluginManager) found plugin file "/usr/share/soprano/plugins/nquadserializer.desktop"
(Soprano::PluginManager) plugin has proper version.
(Soprano::PluginManager) found plugin file "/usr/share/soprano/plugins/raptorparser.desktop"
(Soprano::PluginManager) plugin has proper version.
(Soprano::PluginManager) found plugin file "/usr/share/soprano/plugins/raptorserializer.desktop"
(Soprano::PluginManager) plugin has proper version.
(Soprano::PluginManager) found plugin file "/usr/share/soprano/plugins/redlandbackend.desktop"
(Soprano::PluginManager) plugin has proper version.
(Soprano::PluginManager) searching plugin file from  "/usr/share/soprano/plugins"
(Soprano::PluginManager) found plugin file "/usr/share/soprano/plugins/nquadparser.desktop"
(Soprano::PluginManager) plugin has proper version.
(Soprano::PluginManager) found plugin file "/usr/share/soprano/plugins/nquadserializer.desktop"
(Soprano::PluginManager) plugin has proper version.
(Soprano::PluginManager) found plugin file "/usr/share/soprano/plugins/raptorparser.desktop"
(Soprano::PluginManager) plugin has proper version.
(Soprano::PluginManager) found plugin file "/usr/share/soprano/plugins/raptorserializer.desktop"
(Soprano::PluginManager) plugin has proper version.
(Soprano::PluginManager) found plugin file "/usr/share/soprano/plugins/redlandbackend.desktop"
(Soprano::PluginManager) plugin has proper version.
(Soprano::PluginManager) loaded plugin from "/usr/lib64/soprano/libsoprano_redlandbackend.so"
[/usr/bin/nepomukservicestub] (Soprano::PluginManager) loading all plugins
(Soprano::PluginManager) searching plugin file from  "/usr/share/soprano/plugins"
(Soprano::PluginManager) found plugin file "/usr/share/soprano/plugins/nquadparser.desktop"
(Soprano::PluginManager) plugin has proper version.
(Soprano::PluginManager) found parser plugin  "nquadparser"
(Soprano::PluginManager) found plugin file "/usr/share/soprano/plugins/nquadserializer.desktop"
(Soprano::PluginManager) plugin has proper version.
(Soprano::PluginManager) found serializer plugin  "nquadserializer"
(Soprano::PluginManager) found plugin file "/usr/share/soprano/plugins/raptorparser.desktop"
(Soprano::PluginManager) plugin has proper version.
(Soprano::PluginManager) found parser plugin  "raptorparser"
(Soprano::PluginManager) found plugin file "/usr/share/soprano/plugins/raptorserializer.desktop"
(Soprano::PluginManager) plugin has proper version.
(Soprano::PluginManager) found serializer plugin  "raptorserializer"
(Soprano::PluginManager) found plugin file "/usr/share/soprano/plugins/redlandbackend.desktop"
(Soprano::PluginManager) plugin has proper version.
(Soprano::PluginManager) found backend plugin  "redland"
(Soprano::PluginManager) searching plugin file from  "/usr/share/soprano/plugins"
(Soprano::PluginManager) found plugin file "/usr/share/soprano/plugins/nquadparser.desktop"
(Soprano::PluginManager) plugin has proper version.
(Soprano::PluginManager) found plugin file "/usr/share/soprano/plugins/nquadserializer.desktop"
(Soprano::PluginManager) plugin has proper version.
(Soprano::PluginManager) found plugin file "/usr/share/soprano/plugins/raptorparser.desktop"
(Soprano::PluginManager) plugin has proper version.
(Soprano::PluginManager) found plugin file "/usr/share/soprano/plugins/raptorserializer.desktop"
(Soprano::PluginManager) plugin has proper version.
(Soprano::PluginManager) found plugin file "/usr/share/soprano/plugins/redlandbackend.desktop"
(Soprano::PluginManager) plugin has proper version.
(Soprano::PluginManager) searching plugin file from  "/usr/share/soprano/plugins"
(Soprano::PluginManager) found plugin file "/usr/share/soprano/plugins/nquadparser.desktop"
(Soprano::PluginManager) plugin has proper version.
(Soprano::PluginManager) found plugin file "/usr/share/soprano/plugins/nquadserializer.desktop"
(Soprano::PluginManager) plugin has proper version.
(Soprano::PluginManager) found plugin file "/usr/share/soprano/plugins/raptorparser.desktop"
(Soprano::PluginManager) plugin has proper version.
(Soprano::PluginManager) found plugin file "/usr/share/soprano/plugins/raptorserializer.desktop"
(Soprano::PluginManager) plugin has proper version.
(Soprano::PluginManager) found plugin file "/usr/share/soprano/plugins/redlandbackend.desktop"
(Soprano::PluginManager) plugin has proper version.
(Soprano::PluginManager) loaded plugin from "/usr/lib64/soprano/libsoprano_redlandbackend.so"
(Soprano::Redland::BackendPlugin) creating model of type "hashes" with options "hash-type='bdb',contexts='yes',dir='/home/maxim/.kde4/share/apps/nepomuk/repository/main/data/redland',new='yes'"
CLuceneIndex::open in thread  139946168362848
CLuceneIndex::close in thread  139946168362848
CLuceneIndex::close done in thread  139946168362848
CLuceneIndex::open done in thread  139946168362848
nepomukstorage(13883) Nepomuk::Repository::open: Previous backend: "redland" - new backend: "redland"
nepomukstorage(13883) Nepomuk::Repository::open: Old path: "" - new path: "/home/maxim/.kde4/share/apps/nepomuk/repository/main/"
(Soprano::Redland::BackendPlugin) creating model of type "hashes" with options "hash-type='bdb',contexts='yes',dir='/home/maxim/.kde4/share/apps/nepomuk/repository/main/',new='yes'"
nepomukstorage(13883) Nepomuk::Repository::open: Starting model conversion
nepomukstorage(13883) Nepomuk::ModelCopyJob::ModelCopyJob:
nepomukstorage(13883) Nepomuk::ModelCopyJob::start:
[/usr/bin/nepomukservicestub] nepomukstorage(13883) Nepomuk::ModelCopyJob::slotCopy: done
nepomukstorage(13883) Nepomuk::Repository::copyFinished: Successfully converted model data for repo "main"
ProcessControl: Application '/usr/bin/nepomukservicestub' stopped unexpected (Process crashed)
QLayout: Attempting to add QLayout "" to QWidget "", which already has a layout
[/usr/bin/nepomukservicestub] (Soprano::PluginManager) loading all plugins
(Soprano::PluginManager) searching plugin file from  "/usr/share/soprano/plugins"
(Soprano::PluginManager) found plugin file "/usr/share/soprano/plugins/nquadparser.desktop"
(Soprano::PluginManager) plugin has proper version.
(Soprano::PluginManager) found parser plugin  "nquadparser"
(Soprano::PluginManager) found plugin file "/usr/share/soprano/plugins/nquadserializer.desktop"
(Soprano::PluginManager) plugin has proper version.
(Soprano::PluginManager) found serializer plugin  "nquadserializer"
(Soprano::PluginManager) found plugin file "/usr/share/soprano/plugins/raptorparser.desktop"
(Soprano::PluginManager) plugin has proper version.
(Soprano::PluginManager) found parser plugin  "raptorparser"
(Soprano::PluginManager) found plugin file "/usr/share/soprano/plugins/raptorserializer.desktop"
(Soprano::PluginManager) plugin has proper version.
(Soprano::PluginManager) found serializer plugin  "raptorserializer"
(Soprano::PluginManager) found plugin file "/usr/share/soprano/plugins/redlandbackend.desktop"
(Soprano::PluginManager) plugin has proper version.
(Soprano::PluginManager) found backend plugin  "redland"
(Soprano::PluginManager) searching plugin file from  "/usr/share/soprano/plugins"
(Soprano::PluginManager) found plugin file "/usr/share/soprano/plugins/nquadparser.desktop"
(Soprano::PluginManager) plugin has proper version.
(Soprano::PluginManager) found plugin file "/usr/share/soprano/plugins/nquadserializer.desktop"
(Soprano::PluginManager) plugin has proper version.
(Soprano::PluginManager) found plugin file "/usr/share/soprano/plugins/raptorparser.desktop"
(Soprano::PluginManager) plugin has proper version.
(Soprano::PluginManager) found plugin file "/usr/share/soprano/plugins/raptorserializer.desktop"
(Soprano::PluginManager) plugin has proper version.
(Soprano::PluginManager) found plugin file "/usr/share/soprano/plugins/redlandbackend.desktop"
(Soprano::PluginManager) plugin has proper version.
(Soprano::PluginManager) searching plugin file from  "/usr/share/soprano/plugins"
(Soprano::PluginManager) found plugin file "/usr/share/soprano/plugins/nquadparser.desktop"
(Soprano::PluginManager) plugin has proper version.
(Soprano::PluginManager) found plugin file "/usr/share/soprano/plugins/nquadserializer.desktop"
(Soprano::PluginManager) plugin has proper version.
(Soprano::PluginManager) found plugin file "/usr/share/soprano/plugins/raptorparser.desktop"
(Soprano::PluginManager) plugin has proper version.
(Soprano::PluginManager) found plugin file "/usr/share/soprano/plugins/raptorserializer.desktop"
(Soprano::PluginManager) plugin has proper version.
(Soprano::PluginManager) found plugin file "/usr/share/soprano/plugins/redlandbackend.desktop"
(Soprano::PluginManager) plugin has proper version.
(Soprano::PluginManager) loaded plugin from "/usr/lib64/soprano/libsoprano_redlandbackend.so"
(Soprano::Redland::BackendPlugin) creating model of type "hashes" with options "hash-type='bdb',contexts='yes',dir='/home/maxim/.kde4/share/apps/nepomuk/repository/main/data/redland'"
CLuceneIndex::open in thread  140322605365088
CLuceneIndex::close in thread  140322605365088
CLuceneIndex::close done in thread  140322605365088
CLuceneIndex::open done in thread  140322605365088
nepomukstorage(13893) Nepomuk::Repository::open: no need to convert "main"
[/usr/bin/nepomukservicestub] nepomukstorage(13893) Nepomuk::Storage::slotNepomukCoreInitialized: Successfully initialized nepomuk core
NepomukServer(13878) Nepomuk::ServiceController::slotServiceInitialized: Service "nepomukstorage" initialized
NepomukServer(13878) Nepomuk::ServiceManager::Private::_k_serviceInitialized: Service initialized: "nepomukstorage"
[/usr/bin/nepomukservicestub] (ServerCore) new socket connection.
NepomukServer(13878) Nepomuk::ServiceController::slotServiceInitialized: Service "nepomukqueryservice" initialized
NepomukServer(13878) Nepomuk::ServiceManager::Private::_k_serviceInitialized: Service initialized: "nepomukqueryservice"
plasma(13881) Solid::Control::ManagerBasePrivate::loadBackend: Backend loaded:  "HAL-Power"
NepomukServer(13878) Nepomuk::ServiceController::slotServiceInitialized: Service "nepomukmigration1" initialized
NepomukServer(13878) Nepomuk::ServiceManager::Private::_k_serviceInitialized: Service initialized: "nepomukmigration1"
NepomukServer(13878) Nepomuk::ServiceController::slotServiceInitialized: Service "nepomukfilewatch" initialized
NepomukServer(13878) Nepomuk::ServiceManager::Private::_k_serviceInitialized: Service initialized: "nepomukfilewatch"
[/usr/bin/nepomukservicestub] (ServerCore) new socket connection.
(ServerCore) new socket connection.
"KConfigIni: In file /tmp/kde-maxim/kconf_updateQ13843.tmp, line 1: " Invalid entry (missing '=')
kdeinit4: Fatal IO error: client killed
kdeinit4: sending SIGHUP to children.
kdeinit4: sending SIGTERM to children.
kdeinit4: Exit.
KCrash: Application 'ksmserver' crashing...
Warning: connect() failed: : Нет такого файла или каталога
KCrash cannot reach kdeinit, launching directly.
klauncher: Exiting on signal 15
klauncher: Exiting on signal 1
NepomukServer(13878) Nepomuk::ServiceController::slotServiceInitialized: Service "nepomukontologyloader" initialized
NepomukServer(13878) Nepomuk::ServiceManager::Private::_k_serviceInitialized: Service initialized: "nepomukontologyloader"
QDBusConnectionPrivate::connectSignal: received error from D-Bus server while connecting signal to OrgKdeNepomukServiceControlInterface::serviceInitialized(bool): org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Disconnected (Connection is closed)
KCrash: Application 'nepomukserver' crashing...
Warning: connect() failed: : Нет такого файла или каталога
KCrash cannot reach kdeinit, launching directly.
QWidget: Must construct a QApplication before a QPaintDevice
Unexpected response from KInit (response = 140736900720136).
kwin: Fatal IO error: client killed
startkde: Could not start ksmserver. Check your installation.
XIO:  fatal IO error 104 (Соединение сброшено другой стороной) on X server ":0.0"
      after 21 requests (8 known processed) with 0 events remaining.
kded4: Fatal IO error: client killed
Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
Xlib: No protocol specified

drkonqi: cannot connect to X server :0.0

Вопрос: Как устранить данную проблему? Или просто ждать когда КДЕ станет стабильным ?

[NemesisSOAD]

а не хотите попробовать драйвер nv? да и протестировать ОЗУ не мешалоб).

[abs-o-lut]

kde 4.2.1 стабилен.
Проблем с нвидиа не наблюдаю.
Может ещё раз прогнать nvidia-xconfig?

[maxen]

Спасибо за ответы, только указанные возможные проблемы никаким образом не влияют на работу XFCE.
ОЗУ проверить то можно, только не в нем дело (чувствую), а вот с дровами поиграюсь.
О результатах обязательно отпишусь.

[NemesisSOAD]

А кстати, что за карточка хоть?
xfce не имеет встроенную plasma которая вообще капризная штука, да и в памяти занимает в разы меньше.

[proDOOMman]

Попробуйте еще установить стандартные настройки для видеокарты в xorg.conf. У меня после подобного шаманства вылеты как рукой сняло.

[maxen]

А кстати, что за карточка хоть?
xfce не имеет встроенную plasma которая вообще капризная штука, да и в памяти занимает в разы меньше.

Код: Выделить всё

maxen maxim # cat /proc/driver/nvidia/version
NVRM version: NVIDIA UNIX x86_64 Kernel Module  180.37  Fri Mar  6 00:32:38 PST 2009
GCC version:  gcc версия 4.3.3 (Gentoo 4.3.3-r1 p1.1, pie-10.1.5)
maxen maxim # cat /proc/driver/nvidia/cards/0
Model:          GeForce 9600 GT
IRQ:            18
Video BIOS:      62.94.2b.00.00
Card Type:      PCI-E
DMA Size:      40 bits
DMA Mask:      0xffffffffff
Bus Location:      01.00.0

[maxen]

Отвечу всем сразу: KDE был ни причем, проблема заключалась настройках xorg.conf, так как он переносился из одной системы в другую в принципе без изменений, что и привело к таким "веселым" последствиям. К такому выводу пришел установив стандартный драйвер xf86-video-nv, в xorg.conf внес крупные изменения (привел его почти к дефолтному виду), в результате чего все заработало.
Всем спасибо за ответы и время потраченное на них, теперь буду настраивать Х`ы.